newbee question - nexo knights

[Kayje]

Hi guys,

Like I said in my introduction before, I'm trying to configure my sons nexo knights into MFZ.
So, Am I on the right track with the systems allocation?

I take Axl (in a harnas) as an example :

Defensive system : Armor (obvious ) and a shield = 2 blue dice
Movement system : I add the module from clay's falcon on his back = 1green die
Hand-to-hand system : Giant axe = 2 red dice
Direct Fire system : the movement module has a six shooter and 2 rockets = 2 red dice and one 8 sided dice

Only problem, I have added 4 systems, but didn't include the combined power from the 3 nexo shields yet ...
I think the nexo knights are a little "over-powered", or am I wrong?

[VitorFaria]

By your count your guy have 6 different systems. A defensive system is one die each, so having two mean two separate ones.

Similarly, one direct fire system is two red d6, you only get the d8 if you add another system of the same type.

Cheat sheet:
Single Systems:







Double systems (count as two):







Exemples of valid loadouts, capping at 4 total systems:





Tip:
Remove all equipment from the nexo guys, leaving only the base mech. Then re-add the stuff you want to use on that specific battle.

[Kayje]

Thanks for the clarification. It seems I mis-understood the "systems count". I thought you have to choose 4 out of the 6 different available systems
In short, a fully equiped nexo knight straight out of the box is seriously over-powered

[VitorFaria]

Thanks for the clarification. It seems I mis-understood the "systems count". I thought you have to choose 4 out of the 6 different available systems
In short, a fully equiped nexo knight straight out of the box is seriously over-powered

That's a good thing, it means you get a versatile, variable unit out of a single set!

[Kayje]

That's a good thing, it means you get a versatile, variable unit out of a single set!

Lol, and I didn't started on the various power combinations of the shields yet

Now I'm a little affraid to calculate the systems for the vehicles

[Shades_Corvid]

I was about to ask what is your full intent; if just the Battle Armors or if looking to use the full sets (and most likely play on the floor).

[Kayje]

I was about to ask what is your full intent; if just the Battle Armors or if looking to use the full sets (and most likely play on the floor).

I thought starting with the mechs to try it out and after that trying to implement one vehicle on each side. And yes, looking at the size of the vehicles, I think I need a BIGGER tabble
I think I have to move everything to the clubhouse then for a game
Are there any rules for moving with vehicles or do they use the same as mechs? I would think vehicles move at least the double compared with mechs ...

[VitorFaria]

Are there any rules for moving with vehicles or do they use the same as mechs? I would think vehicles move at least the double compared with mechs ...

There's no real consensus about it. I personally like the "if it moves it's a frame and plays the same" mentality, just to keep it simple, but others prefer making house rules for vehicles.

[Blorf]

Are there any rules for moving with vehicles or do they use the same as mechs? I would think vehicles move at least the double compared with mechs ...

There's no real consensus about it. I personally like the "if it moves it's a frame and plays the same" mentality, just to keep it simple, but others prefer making house rules for vehicles.

As far as consensus, the rules are clear. There's only one type of unit (the frame). Some players create and use things that don't resemble robots, but the game doesn't consider them any differently.

There's been some attempts to add vehicles and other things as separate unit types, and some are probably successful—but it's all within house-rule territory.

[Shades_Corvid]

In Standard MF0 we have presume size limit for frames (and scale but not talking about that here) which the Nexo Knights Battle Suits sort of exceed but don't (that is a future blog post) but certainly all there vehicles do.

And as it has been said the rules just presume EVERYTHING is a frame or at least treated as such.

There might be better systems (Brick Wars?) that might ingrate better.

WITH ALL THAT SAID, you might simply try using the 'If Table is Bigger' unit/ruler if you are going to use the Nexo Knight vehicles with Battle Suits.

[Kayje]

In Standard MF0 we have presume size limit for frames (and scale but not talking about that here) which the Nexo Knights Battle Suits sort of exceed but don't (that is a future blog post) but certainly all there vehicles do.

And as it has been said the rules just presume EVERYTHING is a frame or at least treated as such.

There might be better systems (Brick Wars?) that might ingrate better.

WITH ALL THAT SAID, you might simply try using the 'If Table is Bigger' unit/ruler if you are going to use the Nexo Knight vehicles with Battle Suits.

Thanks for the reply
Allready looked at Brickwars, but I find it to complicated to play it with my kids. Maybe somewhere in the future. My youngest is only 5, so to rules have to be easy, just "moving and rolling the dice". Allready made the decission to leave the vehicles out. Like said before, they exceed the point limit to far.
And who knows, maybe I'll make some houserules to implement them ... somewehere in the future ... when I find some sparetime

[Kayje]

Just to be sure, are these combo's correct?
These are the frames / battlesuits, straight out of the box, without any modifications like i.e. the flightsuit that comes with Clay's Falcon

Burnzie :
Grimrock :
Axl :
Macy :
Aaron :

Flightsuit which can be added at a knight :
two single shot rockets :
six shooter (counting as a single shot rocket) :
wings :

But when I read the rules, those single shot rockets can be added on top of a frame. I only have to drop the wings then because that would give an extra 5th system. Correct?
so i.e. a modified Axl will have : + (not counting the wings)

[Shades_Corvid]

You are a lot nicer handed out systems then me. IE


Aaron's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Crossbow
Shield Extension
Shield


Macy's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Shield
Mace or maybe because you can pop the Trans Red/Orange part off I think.
-No Ranged Systems

Lance's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Lance
Skates
Shield
-No Ranged Systems

That's just my interpretation examples.

[Kayje]

You are a lot nicer handed out systems then me. IE

Aaron's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Crossbow
Shield Extension
Shield

Macy's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Shield
Mace or maybe because you can pop the Trans Red/Orange part off I think.
-No Ranged Systems

Lance's Battle Suit

Battle Suit
Lance
Skates
Shield
-No Ranged Systems

That's just my interpretation examples.

Nice, so it seems I'm on the right track with the combo's. I only used the shields besides as defense, also as "beam-weapons", so + and in the case of Aaron + . In this way I "cover" the shield powers without going to specific for the more then 300 different powers and combinations
I keep the "red shiny thing" on macy's mace, because I see it as one part.

I noticed that you use the white dices for the battle suit. I thought that they didn't count as a system, but that they are wild. So if this is correct, then you can ad an extra to your frames for armor.

i.e. Macy (if I'm correct ):
Mace:
Beam from shieldpowers :
Armor :
Shield :
Wild dices :

My son doesn't have Lance and Clay yet. He will receive them with easter

[VitorFaria]

I think you could interpret the helmet visors as a

So you have an option of a spotting system out of the box.

[Kayje]

I think you could interpret the helmet visors as a

So you have an option of a spotting system out of the box.

Yep, but htem I have more then 4 systems

[Kayje]

Btw, I was looking into the Nexo vehicles, and I think the "over-power" will not be that bad at all.

Axl's Tower Carrier are in fact two vehicles.
The carrier has one ranged weapon :
The tower has two :

Clays Falcon Fighter Blaster are in fact also two fighters.
The big one has two six shooters, which you could use as two single shots or as two railguns +
The small one which can be detached from the back, has two rockets and a six shooter or +
Eitherway, you never have more then 3systems on the complete fighter (3 railguns and 2 single shot rockets who doesn't count for the systems)
The small one is the ne you could attache to the battlesuits, and then you could use him for the three , dropping the wings

And because vehicles don't move that much once in batlle, I think it will be doable, maybe even with a there movement value doubled

[Blorf]

That's a lot of things you're suggesting as . They're all fine, but keep in mind that your entire company only has 3 SSRs. You can put them all on one unit if you want, but then none of your other units are allowed to carry any.

[Kayje]

That's a lot of things you're suggesting as . They're all fine, but keep in mind that your entire company only has 3 SSRs. You can put them all on one unit if you want, but then none of your other units are allowed to carry any.

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm thinking to let the little one fly on its own, piloted by one of the bots, athough a modified nexo would look nice
And yes, I'm not a fan to put everything on one module, but heck, where's the fun if you don't take any risk

So, my config on the vehicles would be:

Tower Carrier :
Catapult in carrier + comm + armor + wheels
Tower (2 ranged) + comm + wheels

Falcon Fighter Blaster:
Two railguns on the big fighter + comm + wings
Two SSR's + 1 railgun on the little one + comm + wings
With this config I can easily see, what's what and then there's no confusion on the used weapons

[Shades_Corvid]

Vitor's suggestion of using Visors as is great!

Is your frame's raw abilities and your pilot's skill. With no other systems a can be used to defend, move but not through cover, attack in hand to hand range or spot within 8 units a frame out of cover.

Standard rules is you have to be able to see the system and take it off when you use it.

I still suggest using the bigger unit measure size if you are going to include vehicles and if you double their movement value perhaps have them use the movement rules from Intercept Orbit or similar.