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Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:22 pm
by Atavism
So I'm liking the idea of great big space animals for intercept orbit, and it raised for me a few ideas/questions about how the Ijad would respond to animals of such magnitude. (And there are a lot of variations and angles, so please bear with me.)

(All examples in terms of Giant Space Whale- GSW, but could be anything superbig, really.)

It is my understanding that when the Ijad bond to an animal they are integrated into its nervous system, they are a part of the animal's body as much as the animal brain is rather than, say, a pilot looking down at the controls or an architect looking at a schematic.

Is there any physical limit to this reach? Like, after a half-mile of nervous system an Ijad start to lose touch with the host, or, for example, the Ijad might be able to "see" and control a flipper of a GSW but the rest would simply be too much?

Is there any psychological limit to their reach? The canon examples are mostly really big animals, would a GSW be overwhelming in scale and complexity for an Ijad to make sense of once they bonded?

Similarly, could the scale at which the GSW's mind exists simply be too different for the Ijad to bond effectively. The GSW might experience time too slowly (or is it quickly, how about we say differently?) for the Ijad to communicate effectively. Or similarly again, the GSW is simply to great and profound for the Ijad to bond to, in a way that humans and beasts are not?

If any of these are true, would bonding be impossible, or even dangerous- Ijad get lost or trapped within the bond?

How might they overcome these obstacles? Strategically bonding at a natural intersection of the GSW's nervous system? Distributing a number of Ijad across the GSW to manage its many parts? Linking with other Ijad to form a cooperative troupe to contemplate its bigness?

I might never go anywhere with any of this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:32 pm
by gusindor
Short answer: Whatever is the most fun. Never let science get in the way of a good story.

Longer answer:

You're correct about the way Ijad link with animals. Not much to actually "answer" about this part, I just want to confirm that we're starting from the same point.

There probably isn't an absolute limit to an Ijad's range, but there might be drawbacks as the nerves get longer, like slower response times. Then again, maybe having two brains can compensate for that, perhaps the Ijad focuses on planning and decision-making while the GSW handles the moment-to-moment reactions.

A GSW or other sufficiently large creature could very well have very different perceptions of time and space, and if they did this would probably affect the Ijad's mind. I like the idea that Ijad who spend a long time bonded to an animal (huge or otherwise) pick up some of its instincts, Animorphs-style, but you could also see it as being like drugs.

It might not be inherently dangerous for an Ijad to ride a GSW (Ijad biology seems to be compatible with just about any creature, with a few exceptions) but I can easily see it affecting their psyche if they aren't careful.

I believe Ijad always attach at neural nexuses (nexi?), that's why you always see Ijad-human pairs with the feelers coming out the back of their neck. Presumably that's even more important when the creature is the size of a spaceship. It seems like linking multiple Ijad to a single creature would probably cause unpleasant (or at least inconvenient) complications, but it probably depends on the specific creature's biology.

Also, note that most Ijad-animal bondings are only temporary, so if it does affect their mind that raises the question of what happens when they separate. How long they stay bonded is also probably a factor, I imagine that an Ijad who's been bonded to the same animal for longer will be more adept at riding its body but also more affected by its mind.

I have only the most basic knowledge of biology and neurology, so take all of this with a grain of salt, but there's my two cents.

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:43 am
by Blorf
I'd have to start with the basic life support question. Ijad come from a planet with earth-like atmosphere. Giant space whales (by definition, really) live in space. We'll sidestep the question of if the biology is even remotely similar enough to bond to, because it's complicated and makes for fun times. But how do you keep the ijad alive in the environment of space, through and after the bonding? They'd have to resolve that. Bond-friendly ijad space suits? (Atavism design: go!)

I assume if the ijad bond means the creatures are co-linked, the ijad doesn't directly control the miles-away fins any more than it directly controls the inches-away eyes on creatures at home. More so it convinces the creature that it wants to do that. From there the creature's natural processes take over. Consciousness compatibility is a question, but I wouldn't be concerned with physical control.

As for consciousness compatibility, this might be an avenue that depends on the skill or natural ability of the ijad. Some can integrate better with a wider range, perhaps others could not. Perhaps they could train to be able to do so?

As a complete aside, this makes me wonder how the ijad self-classify. Consider games/tests of skill among humans, competing to see who is stronger or smarter. But these differences would mean little to the ijad; essentially it would boil down to "who bonded with the best animal" which is probably more a question of social status and what breeds are available to you. (unless you have the unbonded ijad olympics... heh.) But does that mean they might compare themselves based on bonding skill? Maybe that's a question for another thread.

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:13 pm
by Atavism

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:55 pm
by kingodacheez
Wow, this is getting to be a really deep thread.
Since the subject matter is a GSW; how about the effects on the Ijad if it were to bond with a giant space-faring Humbolt squid?
Considering how sophisticated their physiology is, and relentlessly brutal their behavior patterns are, there would likely be some difficulty controlling them.
I'm thinking of something like the Gargantia series (anime) squid:maybe if the host GSW had been killed, and the Ijad had no other choice but to bond to the squid in order to survive.
Thoughts?

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:22 pm
by Atavism

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:00 am
by Blorf

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:42 pm
by davidstrife
think pacific rim (i know a bit cliche, but bear with me) and how the two guys at the end paired up to handle the kaiju. an ijad can handle more then a human and therefore the same formula would apply to an ijad and a gsw. on ijad on the left and one on the right. it would levle out the amout of work each does. 2 brains, 2 ijad (in the case of a multi brained megafauna).

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:16 pm
by Atavism

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:17 pm
by gusindor

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:27 pm
by Atavism

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:36 am
by Vitoria

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:59 am
by gusindor

Re: Ijad and Megafauna

PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:01 am
by Joshua A.C. Newman
Most insects just don't keep their brains in their heads. They're heads are a bundle of sensory organs and a mouth. Connected through the neck is their nerve bundle (not really a brain) right behind.