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Frames: Cost Effective?

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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby milt69466 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:34 am

From the rule book:

When the Solar Union first formed, it began immediately resolving the challenges of interstellar commerce. While its transit gate system began to take shape, Solar Union engineers began devising ways to address its most obvious limitations: the exponential cost of sending increasing mass through the gate. Each human sent required enormous startup costs — food and shelter, in many cases air, and the comforts necessary for maintaining high morale.Their solution was to turn the mass of five people their associated materials into a machine and its operator capable of doing the work decreasing the effective mass by 17%.

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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby addking » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:47 am

Also we've been told that you can basically run the 'muscle cylinders' off pretty much any kind of power source, so that's gotta be helpful for cost effectiveness. You use whatever's plentiful for the most part.
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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby Red_Robot » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:38 am

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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby Foghammer » Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:38 pm

I am surprised that no one has considered that the best way to take out a target might not be a frame, but a single, well-placed warhead. Wouldn't that be smaller than a frame by a wide margin, and I would suspect they would be significantly cheaper, but I have no real knowledge of the cost of these things.

Assuming the frames we are talking about aren't hurdy gurdy things and are built for combat, not regular labor. I also have a suspicion that military grade frames would be more expensive than civilian models, even if the game treats them as very similar in structure.
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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby Ryujin » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:36 am

This was already discussed previously at length. tl;dr version: due to the technologies involved, in-universe it's actually easier & cheaper to build, maintain & operate a truck on legs than a truck on wheels, even with a hillbilly-tier educational and industrial base. On that note, it's perfectly plausible that one of these things could be built in a cave, with a box of scraps.

With regards to the wheeled Peach truck on page 5 of the rulebook (not that you can see the wheels), it's supposed to keep the peaches from excessive bruising due to the smoother ride, but it's actually a display of ostentatiousness by the highly influential Peach Haulers' Union (imagine the freight costs, even if it was shipped from Earth in a knocked-down condition).

I swear, this very subject also always comes up whenever VOTOMS is being discussed.
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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby Xero010 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:49 am

You also have to take into account the universality of frame parts and how durbale they are in general. On average, I'm guessing it takes a lot of fire power to put a frame down beyond the point of repair. But many frames, like the Chub and Commissar have parts that are so easy to find that repairing them is a snap.
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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby gusindor » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:14 pm

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Re: Frames: Cost Effective?

Postby Red_Robot » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:27 pm

Comparing warheads and frames is a bit of an apples and oranges situation. A warhead is a munition. A mobile frame is a form of military transport/armored cavalry. Warheads are very good at blowing stuff up. That's why frames carry them.

What warheads aren't good at is holding ground after you've blown stuff up. The deadliest cruise missile in the world still can't compete with troops on the ground for holding territory and policing populations. So that's why the militaries of the Solar Calendar field mobile frames.

Is a missile more efficient manner of delivering a warhead at long range? Probably. But then it's blown up. But, a frame armed with missiles, or Single Shot Rockets, or long range ramjet artillery shells, or shoulder fired RPGs, can deliver a munitions payload and then carry out further objectives in a mission.
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